2 Amazingly Stupid Christian Statements!

This week I heard (read)  2 of the dumbest statements from Christians. I would LOVE to speak out publicly in person. It gets tougher and tougher to keep quiet. So I will speak my mind here.

The first was a man who was defending his position that abortion should never be legal for any case. When he was asked about the case of rape he was still vehemently opposed to abortion. The reason he gave bewildered me!

He claimed that god made women’s bodies to reproduce. He also made their bodies to protect the sanctity of life. He continued to say that god built into a woman’s body the protection against pregnancy in the case of rape. He claimed that if a woman was raped and it was traumatic that she could not reproduce. She could not become pregnant in the case of rape!

It gets worse! He was asked about the numerous cases of women who were raped and conceived. What about those women? He replied that they were not really raped. See, if a woman gets pregnant then she actually enjoyed it, therefore it was not rape. WHAT????? REALLY????? If she conceived it wasn’t rape and she had no grounds legally to claim she was raped, and an abortion in her case should still be illegal. If said if a woman claimed rape and she did not become pregnant then her claim of rape could be investigated.

The second dumb statement was from a leader of the Quiverfull Movement. He was speaking of god’s plan for christians to reproduce. (That is a basic tenant of their faith.) He claimed that fathers needed to not be so picky about who their daughters were to marry. He said they should also be ready to give them over to marriage pretty much as soon as they are capable of conceiving.

He said god is in charge and as soon as he wants a girl to start having babies he gives them their first period. As soon as he is ready for a boy to marry and reproduce he gives him the ability to do so. His position is a boy should take a wife as soon as he desires to have sex and fathers should give their daughter to be married as soon as she starts her period and a boy shows interest in her. If a boy wants to marry a girl her father is obligated to help them do that to keep in line with god’s will. They wouldn’t have those desires  if god didn’t want them to reproduce. He felt like a big problem with American christians is they fight against god’s will in these regards.

Being able to reproduce and having sexual desires serves no purpose other than procreation and bonding for a couple within the confines of holy matrimony. God is perfect and gives people those desires at the perfect time. So, if parents keep their kids from marrying and having kids as soon as they can then the parents, out of pride and sin are to blame for breaking god will.

He went on to say we wouldn’t have men sexually tempted and have sexual sins if we all followed god’s natural plan and encouraged and facilitated kids getting married to the first person who stirred sexual desires in them.

UNBELIEVABLE!!!

I totally wouldn’t be surprised if the first gentleman raped a girl at some point, and if we learned the second man is a pedophile.

I wonder how either explains it when a Christian woman can try to have a baby but not conceive.

These examples are certainly not the norm even for christians, but using god as an excuse for rape and having preteens marry is disturbing! I realize even most christians will disagree with these people, but there are so many ways people treat others wrong that the main stream christians over look in the name of god.

Without god as an excuse, people will still treat others badly and look for ways to justify their own actions, but god makes it easier for other to accept when people do. There should be a huge outcry against these men, but because they are “men of god” there is no such mass opposition.

People say things like “I don’t agree with that, but I think his heart is in the right place”, or “God is using him so it isn’t that bad.” If people disagree with abortion based on their religious belief they will almost surely ignore the first guy because the ends justify the means and they can say they disagree with his view on women liking it when she gets raped. They really feel God hates abortion more than rape so it isn’t a big deal if he is a little wrong.

Most christians believe that it is way, way better to be in a life-long bad marriage than to commit a sexual sin outside of marriage. I think many people feel like they should disagree with the pastor about sex and marriage as soon as kids are physically able, but they agree with the basic premise that god is in control and people should not have sex outside of marriage. So they have a problem disputing the logic.

When your religion is faith based and does not have to make sense it allows for any wacko to justify his or her desires. It also makes it easy for people to accept those folks and their ideas.

It is very easy to see rape is wrong regardless if a woman conceives when there is no god involved. As an atheist I do not have to make up an excuse for god giving a woman a fetus. I don’t have to fight against a woman choosing to stop the growth of a parasite that is going to be a life long reminder of how she was violated. I don’t have to explain why god allows kids to enter puberty but not they should not have to go get married. I don’t have to defend god’s illogical system.

If god knows everything why couldn’t he have built into man a violent hatred for the concept of  rape? If man always hated the concept of rape from the minute of creation (Most religions believe in creation.) we would not have ever dealt with it. It wouldn’t exist. God has no need for rape. Without it man still has free choice. Man can still sin. Nothing about religion or man and the condition of mankind would change if god never gave anyone the ability to think of raping someone. God could have stopped one of the most horrible actions a human can take against another before it ever started and no one would ever be the wiser. As a matter of fact, he could give people the knowledge of it after they died so they would be amazed at how he protected them from such vileness while they were alive. BUT he didn’t! He allows for rape and he allows for men to use hatred for abortion to excuse it. I think an omniscient god should do better than that.

Also, why, if god gives us sex to procreate and for enjoyment within marriage only why didn’t he set it up for people to only be capable of reproducing after they get married? Again, there would still be plenty of sin to go around. He could allow for lust, but just not make sperm potent until after marriage. He could stop illegitimate children. If he did it from the start we would not know any different because that would just be the way it is.

If you believe god is in control and he is omniscient and omnipotent then it seems to me you have a problem that you will have to just use faith as your excuse to explain. If you really thought it out you would see it does not make sense and something must be wrong.

In the first case, whether you agree with the man or not you have to consider how easy it would have been for god to have never invented rape or allowed it to become a thought in man. Sin would still exist but the violation of others sexually and all the pain and problems it causes would be gone. The god that allows rape isn’t  omniscient, omnipotent, and all loving.

In the case of the Quiverfull pastor and his statement, if you believe in the god of the bible how can you say the pastor is wrong? Why would god give a girl a period or a boy sperm and an erection if he didn’t want them to procreate? How can you say for sure that this guy wrong? Does the bible say don’t get married until you are older? I don’t think so. It does mention it is better to marry than to burn. (Many people believe that to mean “burn with sexual desire”.) It would minimize bastard children.

Would you let your 12 or 13 year old get married? I think most people would not. You can instinctively know that it would not be a good idea.Some would say kids could not support a family. Well, grandparents could let them their kids and grandkids stay with them until they were financially stable. God isn’t opposed to that. Teens could get jobs sooner and  become responsible quicker.

If you disagree with the idea of “young enough to bleed, young enough to breed” so get them married then why does god give girls their period so young? Why does god give such young men sexual desires and the ability to impregnate? There is no justification for god to give them sexual temptation before they should be procreating. If god doesn’t give toddlers sexual temptation so why would he give 12 year olds those temptations? It serves no purpose. It only seems logical to be tempted in such ways when god has decided you are ready and should be making babies.

Again, this god couldn’t come up with a better plan? He is perfect and knows everything. He is all loving and only gives us the very, very best.

That is how I see it. It is sad to me that people just let things like this go. Religion forces people to compromise or ignore things they could see as wrong if they did not hold on to their god concept.

 

 

 

30 comments

  1. archaeopteryx1 · February 18, 2016

    I regularly comment on a number of blogs, some atheist, some Christian – I think by now I’ve pretty much heard it all.

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    • adisillusionist · February 18, 2016

      Two insane thoughts in one week!

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      • archaeopteryx1 · February 18, 2016

        I’ve been having fun today with a Christian called, ‘Colorstorm’ on my friend, Arkenaten’s site, you should pop over and check it out: https://attaleuntold.wordpress.com/2016/02/17/fact-or-faith/

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      • adisillusionist · February 18, 2016

        I kept waiting for him to try to prove it; he never did! He didn’t even try. “I am right! You are wrong. God is proof of himself. end of conversation.”…blah, blah, blah.

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      • archaeopteryx1 · February 18, 2016

        Welcome to my world —

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  2. Richard · February 18, 2016

    Two things: would the first guy say that same sex rape doesn’t exist then? For example, a man or woman who gets raped in prison won’t become pregnant so by his logic it didn’t happen.

    Second, through what mechanism can Christians tell either of these guys they are wrong? If their points are backed up biblically and they claim inner revelation through prayer and seeking gods guidance (which most do just for less controversial topics) what can they other than the person misinterpreted what God wanted.

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    • adisillusionist · February 18, 2016

      I thought about that myself. Rape apparently exists if the recipient does not enjoy it, according to him. Pregnancy is only proof that the female did enjoy it. So he, I imagine, would easily claim that no one would truly enjoy male rape because it is unnatural and against god’s law.

      The second point I also thought of, and I do not think the first topic has any support in the Bible for god causing a woman’s body to be infertile in the case of “true” rape. I do think the pastor in the second half of the discussion can make an easier case. There is no harm in young people becoming sexual viable, and the bible discusses sex only inside of marriage. So, if god is all knowing I think the guy has a place to make a case according to the Bible.

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      • archaeopteryx1 · February 18, 2016

        Rape apparently exists if the recipient does not enjoy it, according to him. Pregnancy is only proof that the female did enjoy it.

        That’s reminiscent of the witch trials, where women accused of witchcraft were thrown in the water – if they floated, they were witches and hung, if they drowned, they were innocent – YAY!

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      • nowamfoundatlast · February 19, 2016

        that assklown needs to retake remedial biology

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  3. john zande · February 18, 2016

    It is here, at this line, where simple “beliefs” become socially/intellectually/culturally dangerous.

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    • adisillusionist · February 18, 2016

      I agree, and my overall point is religion allows the line to exist. It makes a place for these type of people and gives them a pace to be accepted.

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  4. nowamfoundatlast · February 18, 2016

    assuming there were a god i would have to guess that he clearly built into men a violent hatred of women that is escalating so much “god” must be about to burst with joy! and that these arguments have way more to do with controlling women and punishing them for enjoying sex than anything else. god. the joke is on us

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    • adisillusionist · February 18, 2016

      You could sure make a case that the biblical god is that god, and if these guys are right he is worse than I thought.

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    • archaeopteryx1 · February 18, 2016

      Well, no one is more concerned than I with making sure that ladies enjoy sex, in fact, I am always willing to help them with that whenever the opportunity arises.

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  5. Mason · February 18, 2016

    Given the batshit crazy nonsense Christians, especially fundamentalist Evangelicals, already believe it should not surprise us with the inane thoughts and ideas that follow. This includes the believing mothers who drown their children so they can “go to a better place with Jesus.”

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    • adisillusionist · February 18, 2016

      As a side note, the women in Texas who did that was part of the Quiverfull Movement. It seems that the pressure from the church to have more kids when she already felt overwhelmed with her present kids may have been linked to her mental condition.

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      • archaeopteryx1 · February 18, 2016

        They’re trying to fight the decline in religion the only way they know how, by raising more believers.

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  6. Brent · February 18, 2016

    Oh goodness yes. There was the case of U.S. Rep. Todd Akin a few years ago, which put the abhorrent phrase “legitimate rape” into the lexicon: http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2014/07/17/3461252/todd-akins-pathetic-attempt-to-defend-legitimate-rape-goes-down-in-flames/

    And he’s not the only one by far. There are lots of pastors and leaders in patriarchal and Quiverfull circles who believe this nonsense that a woman’s body prevents pregnancy after rape… and if not, it proves she was a willing participant. It’s just one more outrageous thing on a whole pile of double standards in which women bear all the responsibility and blame: Why were you alone at that time and place? What were you wearing? Did you lead him on? Did you cry out?

    And then (in the case of Tina Anderson), maybe we should make you apologize in front of the church for it: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/alleged-rape-victim-accuses-trinity-baptist-church-deacon/story?id=10806348

    (“Legitimate rape” doesn’t quite beat Coach Bob Knight’s “if rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it” observation, which I think sets the bar pretty high. http://www.nytimes.com/1988/04/27/sports/knight-is-criticized-over-rape-remark.html)

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    • adisillusionist · February 18, 2016

      I remember a couple of those stories now that you bring them up. I forgot about Bobby Knight. I guess it is a good thing he was a basketball coach and not a cult leader.

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  7. archaeopteryx1 · February 18, 2016

    South Carolina Soup Kitchen Director Bans Atheist Volunteers, Saying They Would Be a ‘Disservice to This Community’

    Totally off-topic, but one of the things that I think we need, are organized Humanist groups doing good things for people.

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  8. nowamfoundatlast · February 18, 2016

    utterly repugnant : men defining rape. women don’t need qualifiers like “forcible” , “date rape” “legitimate rape” . utterly wholly sickening.

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    • adisillusionist · February 18, 2016

      When were the good ole’ days when women were property and there was no such thing as rape, right?

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      • archaeopteryx1 · February 19, 2016

        They still exist.

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      • archaeopteryx1 · February 19, 2016

        Doesn’t anyone wonder who designed those things? Someone had to sit down and determine a pattern and design the ‘grill’ – who does that?

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  9. Jim Jones · February 19, 2016

    > That is a base tenant of their faith.

    Nope. “That is a basic tenet of their faith.”

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    • adisillusionist · February 19, 2016

      You are correct. I missed that in auto correct. I intended to say basic. good catch and thank you!

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  10. archaeopteryx1 · February 21, 2016

    Speaking of stupid Christian statements, I am often amused by Christians who flaunt the words of Paul (Romans 3:4), saying, “Let God be true and every man a liar,” in an effort to validate the Bible, not realizing that the entire Bible was written by those lying men.

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  11. archaeopteryx1 · February 21, 2016

    And here’s another point I believe is worth consideration:

    “On that day they read from the book of Moses in the hearing of the people; and in it was found written that NO AMMONITE OR MOABITE SHOULD EVER ENTER THE ASSEMBLY OF GOD; for they did not meet the children of Israel with bread and water, but hired Balaam against them to curse them – yet our God turned the curse into a blessing. WHEN THE PEOPLE HEARD THE LAW, THEY SEPARATED FROM ISRAEL ALL THOSE OF FOREIGN DESCENT.”

    — Nehemiah 13:1-3 Revised Standard Version (RSV) —

    “No bastard shall enter the assembly of the Lord; even to the tenth generation, none of his descendants shall enter the assembly of the Lord. NO Ammonite or MOABITE SHALL ENTER THE ASSEMBLY OF THE LORD, EVEN TO THE TENTH GENERATION; NONE BELONGING TO THEM SHALL ENTER THE ASSEMBLY OF THE LORD FOREVER because they did not meet you with bread and water on the way, when you came forth out of Egypt, and because they hired against you Balaam the son of Beor…to curse you…You shall not seek their peace or their prosperity all your days for ever.”
    
— Deuteronomy 23:2-3, 6 RSV —</blockquote

    Ruth the Moabite married Boaz [cf. Ruth 4:13-22 and 1 Chronicles 2:1-15].

    Salmon was the father of Boaz by Rahab, Boaz was the father of Obed by Ruth [a Moabite], and Obed the father of Jesse, and Jesse the father of King David.”
    
— Matthew 1:5,6 —

    King David was of Jewish-Moabite descent, by virtue of his great-grandmother, Ruth, the Moabite, and Yeshua was claimed to have been a direct descendent of King David. Either he actually was NOT a descendent of David, or he was part Moabite and by the ‘god-breathed‘ laws of Deuteronomy and Nehemiah, forbidden to “EVER ENTER THE ASSEMBLY OF GOD“.

    It’s either/or – Christians can’t have it both ways. Granted, Christians will say that Yeshua WASN’T genetically related to David, as his daddy was god, but that goes against the prophecy that the Messiah would be of the line of David. Again, Christians can’t have it both ways.

    And that concludes the Sunday School lesson for today – feel free to pass the collection plate and forward it to my Swiss bank account.

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  12. archaeopteryx1 · February 21, 2016

    (I screwed it up – I left out one little >!)

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