This week I heard (read) 2 of the dumbest statements from Christians. I would LOVE to speak out publicly in person. It gets tougher and tougher to keep quiet. So I will speak my mind here.
The first was a man who was defending his position that abortion should never be legal for any case. When he was asked about the case of rape he was still vehemently opposed to abortion. The reason he gave bewildered me!
He claimed that god made women’s bodies to reproduce. He also made their bodies to protect the sanctity of life. He continued to say that god built into a woman’s body the protection against pregnancy in the case of rape. He claimed that if a woman was raped and it was traumatic that she could not reproduce. She could not become pregnant in the case of rape!
It gets worse! He was asked about the numerous cases of women who were raped and conceived. What about those women? He replied that they were not really raped. See, if a woman gets pregnant then she actually enjoyed it, therefore it was not rape. WHAT????? REALLY????? If she conceived it wasn’t rape and she had no grounds legally to claim she was raped, and an abortion in her case should still be illegal. If said if a woman claimed rape and she did not become pregnant then her claim of rape could be investigated.
The second dumb statement was from a leader of the Quiverfull Movement. He was speaking of god’s plan for christians to reproduce. (That is a basic tenant of their faith.) He claimed that fathers needed to not be so picky about who their daughters were to marry. He said they should also be ready to give them over to marriage pretty much as soon as they are capable of conceiving.
He said god is in charge and as soon as he wants a girl to start having babies he gives them their first period. As soon as he is ready for a boy to marry and reproduce he gives him the ability to do so. His position is a boy should take a wife as soon as he desires to have sex and fathers should give their daughter to be married as soon as she starts her period and a boy shows interest in her. If a boy wants to marry a girl her father is obligated to help them do that to keep in line with god’s will. They wouldn’t have those desires if god didn’t want them to reproduce. He felt like a big problem with American christians is they fight against god’s will in these regards.
Being able to reproduce and having sexual desires serves no purpose other than procreation and bonding for a couple within the confines of holy matrimony. God is perfect and gives people those desires at the perfect time. So, if parents keep their kids from marrying and having kids as soon as they can then the parents, out of pride and sin are to blame for breaking god will.
He went on to say we wouldn’t have men sexually tempted and have sexual sins if we all followed god’s natural plan and encouraged and facilitated kids getting married to the first person who stirred sexual desires in them.
I totally wouldn’t be surprised if the first gentleman raped a girl at some point, and if we learned the second man is a pedophile.
I wonder how either explains it when a Christian woman can try to have a baby but not conceive.
These examples are certainly not the norm even for christians, but using god as an excuse for rape and having preteens marry is disturbing! I realize even most christians will disagree with these people, but there are so many ways people treat others wrong that the main stream christians over look in the name of god.
Without god as an excuse, people will still treat others badly and look for ways to justify their own actions, but god makes it easier for other to accept when people do. There should be a huge outcry against these men, but because they are “men of god” there is no such mass opposition.
People say things like “I don’t agree with that, but I think his heart is in the right place”, or “God is using him so it isn’t that bad.” If people disagree with abortion based on their religious belief they will almost surely ignore the first guy because the ends justify the means and they can say they disagree with his view on women liking it when she gets raped. They really feel God hates abortion more than rape so it isn’t a big deal if he is a little wrong.
Most christians believe that it is way, way better to be in a life-long bad marriage than to commit a sexual sin outside of marriage. I think many people feel like they should disagree with the pastor about sex and marriage as soon as kids are physically able, but they agree with the basic premise that god is in control and people should not have sex outside of marriage. So they have a problem disputing the logic.
When your religion is faith based and does not have to make sense it allows for any wacko to justify his or her desires. It also makes it easy for people to accept those folks and their ideas.
It is very easy to see rape is wrong regardless if a woman conceives when there is no god involved. As an atheist I do not have to make up an excuse for god giving a woman a fetus. I don’t have to fight against a woman choosing to stop the growth of a parasite that is going to be a life long reminder of how she was violated. I don’t have to explain why god allows kids to enter puberty but not they should not have to go get married. I don’t have to defend god’s illogical system.
If god knows everything why couldn’t he have built into man a violent hatred for the concept of rape? If man always hated the concept of rape from the minute of creation (Most religions believe in creation.) we would not have ever dealt with it. It wouldn’t exist. God has no need for rape. Without it man still has free choice. Man can still sin. Nothing about religion or man and the condition of mankind would change if god never gave anyone the ability to think of raping someone. God could have stopped one of the most horrible actions a human can take against another before it ever started and no one would ever be the wiser. As a matter of fact, he could give people the knowledge of it after they died so they would be amazed at how he protected them from such vileness while they were alive. BUT he didn’t! He allows for rape and he allows for men to use hatred for abortion to excuse it. I think an omniscient god should do better than that.
Also, why, if god gives us sex to procreate and for enjoyment within marriage only why didn’t he set it up for people to only be capable of reproducing after they get married? Again, there would still be plenty of sin to go around. He could allow for lust, but just not make sperm potent until after marriage. He could stop illegitimate children. If he did it from the start we would not know any different because that would just be the way it is.
If you believe god is in control and he is omniscient and omnipotent then it seems to me you have a problem that you will have to just use faith as your excuse to explain. If you really thought it out you would see it does not make sense and something must be wrong.
In the first case, whether you agree with the man or not you have to consider how easy it would have been for god to have never invented rape or allowed it to become a thought in man. Sin would still exist but the violation of others sexually and all the pain and problems it causes would be gone. The god that allows rape isn’t omniscient, omnipotent, and all loving.
In the case of the Quiverfull pastor and his statement, if you believe in the god of the bible how can you say the pastor is wrong? Why would god give a girl a period or a boy sperm and an erection if he didn’t want them to procreate? How can you say for sure that this guy wrong? Does the bible say don’t get married until you are older? I don’t think so. It does mention it is better to marry than to burn. (Many people believe that to mean “burn with sexual desire”.) It would minimize bastard children.
Would you let your 12 or 13 year old get married? I think most people would not. You can instinctively know that it would not be a good idea.Some would say kids could not support a family. Well, grandparents could let them their kids and grandkids stay with them until they were financially stable. God isn’t opposed to that. Teens could get jobs sooner and become responsible quicker.
If you disagree with the idea of “young enough to bleed, young enough to breed” so get them married then why does god give girls their period so young? Why does god give such young men sexual desires and the ability to impregnate? There is no justification for god to give them sexual temptation before they should be procreating. If god doesn’t give toddlers sexual temptation so why would he give 12 year olds those temptations? It serves no purpose. It only seems logical to be tempted in such ways when god has decided you are ready and should be making babies.
Again, this god couldn’t come up with a better plan? He is perfect and knows everything. He is all loving and only gives us the very, very best.
That is how I see it. It is sad to me that people just let things like this go. Religion forces people to compromise or ignore things they could see as wrong if they did not hold on to their god concept.