There is no such thing as math.

During my journey to the realization that god did not exist I decided to imagine life for 30 days with no god. I have since realized that most people who believe cannot do that. Most believers if asked to do so actually try to imagine the world without god as if he/she quit existing. That is far different.

I tried to find something that would be comparable to me as god not existing to a sold-out, brain washed believer. The best I could come up with is the idea that math doesn’t exist.

Math I cannot see, but it’s evidence is everywhere. Everything is based on math. It is silly to imagine that I have 2 items and my wife has 2 items yet we cannot determine how many items we have combined. It is not possible to imagine the world without math. I know it exists. It cannot not exist.

I think to the average believer it would be the same to imagine god doesn’t exist. God’s evidence is all around (to them). Everything is based on god. I will try to remember that when talking to people of faith in the future.

The big difference is if you try to take math out of existence you can’t. There is no way to do it. Math must exist.  There is no way around it. There is no faith that could make sense of the world without. God on the other hand needs faith to exist. Without god and without faith things make much more sense.

To me, the fact that you can make sense of the world without god is just more proof that the whole concept of god is false. If god did exist and was perfect his/her set up for the creation and eternity would be perfect. By nature of being perfect, He could not make a system that was less than perfect. So, unlike math, the existence of everything makes more sense without any concept of god that any man has every presented.

Give it some thought. Tell me what you think. That is just a thought I had tonight and wanted to share.

 

13 comments

  1. Dutch Thomas · September 29, 2015

    I like this comparison to math and the neccesity for it to ‘exist’.

    Where the comparison ends is that math is just an abstraction, whereas a God would be an actual entity, just hidden from us. Nobody can ever ‘touch’ math, or ‘speak to’ math; the same goes for abstractions like love, or honor. With God things are different, because he is an actual spirit/entity that can be communicated with (in theory). But rightly because communication never really works in a measurable objective sense, the theory that God exists becomes an irrelevant one… even if he is there, he or she or it somehow does not want to communicate to us.

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    • adisillusionist · September 29, 2015

      Yeah, I obviously don’t think that the comparison is suppose to be dead on. I really was just trying to get the feel for what it would be like for a believer to not believe in god.

      I like the way you separate the concepts and distinguish between abstracts and entities.

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      • Dutch Thomas · September 30, 2015

        Just to be clear, it wasn’t criticism at all… Your analogy is great!

        I just wanted to add something by showing where the analogy stops to work, because I suspect if you throw this out in the wild Christians will see the difference as well. But it would totally backfire on them, because in the end God cannot be proven to be anything more but this invisible ‘concept’ or ‘theory’ while he is supposed to be an actual entity…

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      • adisillusionist · September 30, 2015

        I did not take it as criticism. I appreciate the comments!

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  2. Ricky · September 29, 2015

    Great start to a blog. Look forward to seeing where this leads for you. I have lived my whole life as far as I remember believing that god existed, until a moment on August 3 of this year when I realized I no longer believed. As my faith was no longer there (it was not a decision I made, just a reality I accepted), I have found it an amazingly easy thing to live with no belief. I’ve never once since that moment caught myself wanting to “pray” about something – as there’s no one to pray to. I don’t want to read the Bible for answers, as I know there are not answers there. And as I go through the motions of worship, as I am not yet “out”, they are meaningless – not in a scary way, just in a powerless way. I am surprised how easily living without god is; I am carefree, joyful, and filled with much less anxiety. Jus a thought – Check out http://www.lifeaftergod.org Good stuff there as well.

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    • adisillusionist · September 29, 2015

      Thanks for the share Ricky! I found letting go of my faith the absolute hardest thing I have ever done, but I too have been surprised that life without belief is simple, easy to understand.

      I kept waiting for guilt or conviction. Those things never came. Prayer and worship went from reverent to empty to silly. I also, have more joy and peace about life and eternity without the concept of god I was taught to believe.

      I will be so glad when I can “be out” and open completely!

      I will check out that link.

      Thanks again!

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  3. drewbekius · September 30, 2015

    Great start here with these first two posts, adisolusionist! I LOVE the math comparison!

    I think I’m hooked already. Looking forward for more to come!!!

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  4. mryder66 · September 30, 2015

    Thanks for sharing your journey. Over the years I have come to the conclusion that everyone who makes the journey away from theism has to tread their own path alone. I just wanted to share one observation the strikes me as cute. You seem to be struggling with how to address the concept of ‘god’ in you post. You vary from ‘god’ to ‘he/she’ to ‘He’. I suspect your muscle memory in prompting you to write ‘God’ but this no longer seems right. If it helps, I’d try to write to use terminology that encompasses all flavors of theism, as such you’ll likely gravitate to using the term ‘gods’ rather than ‘god’. Also it will no longer cause you pause and try to assign a gender. It may seems odd and disrespectful at first, but assigning a gender to a generic concept makes no sense. The term ‘it’ will likely seem more appropriate and in my opinion it is.

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    • adisillusionist · September 30, 2015

      Thanks for your insight! I have recently decided that I need to actually make the reference as “the concept of god” because god does not exist. As you said, a gender or other defining term is nonsense when referring to something that doesn’t exist.

      I will probably refer to god as “God” or “He’ when speaking about times that I still believed, and may do the god(s), he/she thing if talking to someone about what they believe.

      I do imagine that could all change in time.

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  5. J Speir · September 30, 2015

    There is a large community of atheists ready to support you.

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  6. ejaysnet · October 1, 2015

    Included you at http://www.hillside.co/?p=171

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